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	<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/</link>
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		<title>by: Taymaz Rastin</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-526</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 May 2006 08:59:41 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>
Hello Mark,

Found your website two weeks ago. I am flattered by your description of my essay on Iranian-American relations, as well as my website. Hope I can improve on both in the future. :-)

warm regards,
Taymaz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hello Mark,</p>
	<p>Found your website two weeks ago. I am flattered by your description of my essay on Iranian-American relations, as well as my website. Hope I can improve on both in the future. :-)</p>
	<p>warm regards,<br />
Taymaz
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		<title>by: markfromireland</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-471</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 08:44:14 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Supplementary to griffon's link ('though again I read that source with a sceptical eye:

http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2006-05-08\178.htm )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Supplementary to griffon&#8217;s link (&#8217;though again I read that source with a sceptical eye:</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2006-05-08\178.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.azzaman.com/english/index.asp?fname=news\2006-05-08\178.htm</a> )
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		<title>by: markfromireland</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-470</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 04:38:24 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh yes, a lot of this is propaganda and as Goebbels??? said a lie is stronger for being mixed with the truth. Getting to what's true and what's spin and what's outright lie can be tricky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh yes, a lot of this is propaganda and as Goebbels??? said a lie is stronger for being mixed with the truth. Getting to what&#8217;s true and what&#8217;s spin and what&#8217;s outright lie can be tricky.
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		<title>by: siun</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-469</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 May 2006 04:29:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks MFI - I wouldn't put anything past them but the line in the article about the US trying to get Iraqi scientists to work for the US just read wrong to me ... but I really appreciate seeing a story like this since it gives hints of things going on and points to info that influences local readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Thanks MFI - I wouldn&#8217;t put anything past them but the line in the article about the US trying to get Iraqi scientists to work for the US just read wrong to me &#8230; but I really appreciate seeing a story like this since it gives hints of things going on and points to info that influences local readers.
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		<title>by: markfromireland</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-467</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 23:49:44 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Uruknet are a portal Siun they're run by a (very) leftwing group, nothing wrong with that &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt; and will pretty much publish anything so long as it's puts the US in a bad light. To be fair to them they do source their stuff. That story was taken from Axis of Logic who in turn took it from Al Jazeerah.com now Al-jazeerah.com are by not at all the the same as al-Jazeerah and again they're very very partisan. I take anything from all three sources with huge quantitities of salt in the same way that I take anything from azzaman.com or foxnews.com or the Jerusalem Post with huge quantities of salt. I think its time for me to make St. Ronny the gaga spin in his mausoleum again ^_^

&lt;blockquote&gt;Trust but verify&lt;/blockquote&gt;

There &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; a campaign on to liquidate the Iraqi professional classes. Again in a civil war or in the  lead up to one that's all too common and  I'm not saying the Israelis or the Kurds wouldn't love to see a weak leaderless broken up Iraq - they would, they're very closely allied and there are Israelis all over Kurdistan as military &quot;advisers.&quot; - Not for the first time either. Whether they or their Kurdish allies have the assets outside of Kurdistan to mount a campaign like this is another question entirely and one I'd be open minded on. Not that I'd put it past them just I wonder if they have the assets to do it. 

(No criticism of griffon here at all for linking to uruknet btw and the story does give a lot of very true info but whenever anybody in the M.E. starts to point fingers I start to wonder why.) 

A likely alternative explanation is that most Iraqi scientists and inteligentsia were Ba'athists, (they didn't get a choice about that join or die or be persecuted and driven into exile was the choice for everyone but the most junior of the junior,)  and a lot of people are determined to wipe out the Ba'ath. Sorting out who is whom,  why they did what and to whom, and in temporarily expedient alliance with which other faction, frequently makes my head hurt.

Yet another likely explanation is that in a situation where an outside power wants to foment a civil war such as the US did in both San Salvador and Nicaragua or organise a coup such as Chile or Argentina or Venezuala or Bolivia ... well one part of ensuring success is to get  their local allies to eliminate by murder terror you name it ... all potential sources of opposition. Ask Archbishop Romero's ghost.

Going on past form I know which one of those alternatives I believe is the most likely particularly given who it is who is founding and organising and continuing to fund the death squads just like they've done in the past - proving that to a point where you could take it into a court of law  is another matter altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Uruknet are a portal Siun they&#8217;re run by a (very) leftwing group, nothing wrong with that <i>per se</i> and will pretty much publish anything so long as it&#8217;s puts the US in a bad light. To be fair to them they do source their stuff. That story was taken from Axis of Logic who in turn took it from Al Jazeerah.com now Al-jazeerah.com are by not at all the the same as al-Jazeerah and again they&#8217;re very very partisan. I take anything from all three sources with huge quantitities of salt in the same way that I take anything from azzaman.com or foxnews.com or the Jerusalem Post with huge quantities of salt. I think its time for me to make St. Ronny the gaga spin in his mausoleum again ^_^</p>
	<blockquote><p>Trust but verify</p></blockquote>
	<p>There <em>is</em> a campaign on to liquidate the Iraqi professional classes. Again in a civil war or in the  lead up to one that&#8217;s all too common and  I&#8217;m not saying the Israelis or the Kurds wouldn&#8217;t love to see a weak leaderless broken up Iraq - they would, they&#8217;re very closely allied and there are Israelis all over Kurdistan as military &#8220;advisers.&#8221; - Not for the first time either. Whether they or their Kurdish allies have the assets outside of Kurdistan to mount a campaign like this is another question entirely and one I&#8217;d be open minded on. Not that I&#8217;d put it past them just I wonder if they have the assets to do it. </p>
	<p>(No criticism of griffon here at all for linking to uruknet btw and the story does give a lot of very true info but whenever anybody in the M.E. starts to point fingers I start to wonder why.) </p>
	<p>A likely alternative explanation is that most Iraqi scientists and inteligentsia were Ba&#8217;athists, (they didn&#8217;t get a choice about that join or die or be persecuted and driven into exile was the choice for everyone but the most junior of the junior,)  and a lot of people are determined to wipe out the Ba&#8217;ath. Sorting out who is whom,  why they did what and to whom, and in temporarily expedient alliance with which other faction, frequently makes my head hurt.</p>
	<p>Yet another likely explanation is that in a situation where an outside power wants to foment a civil war such as the US did in both San Salvador and Nicaragua or organise a coup such as Chile or Argentina or Venezuala or Bolivia &#8230; well one part of ensuring success is to get  their local allies to eliminate by murder terror you name it &#8230; all potential sources of opposition. Ask Archbishop Romero&#8217;s ghost.</p>
	<p>Going on past form I know which one of those alternatives I believe is the most likely particularly given who it is who is founding and organising and continuing to fund the death squads just like they&#8217;ve done in the past - proving that to a point where you could take it into a court of law  is another matter altogether.
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		<title>by: siun</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-466</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 20:58:32 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Griffon - how reliable is uruknet? I don't know enough about them but that is certainly a chilling article and one more war crime ...

and thank you for your kind words on fdl last night/this morning ... appreciated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Griffon - how reliable is uruknet? I don&#8217;t know enough about them but that is certainly a chilling article and one more war crime &#8230;</p>
	<p>and thank you for your kind words on fdl last night/this morning &#8230; appreciated!
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		<title>by: Griffon</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-465</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 09:33:45 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>May29 doesn't look real good all of a sudden.

Here's confirmation of something that has been suspected for a long time about Iraqi scientists being murdered.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23222&amp;amp;hd=0&amp;amp;size=1&amp;amp;l=e</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>May29 doesn&#8217;t look real good all of a sudden.</p>
	<p>Here&#8217;s confirmation of something that has been suspected for a long time about Iraqi scientists being murdered.<br />
<a href='http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23222&amp;hd=0&amp;size=1&amp;l=e' rel='nofollow'>http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m23222&amp;hd=0&amp;size=1&amp;l=e</a>
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		<title>by: siun</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-464</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 03:44:05 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>May 29 is holiday time here - Memorial Day - long weekend - folks away from the news, not paying a lot of attention, congress (not that it matters) not in session, etc.  Thanks Griffon and Mark for infos!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>May 29 is holiday time here - Memorial Day - long weekend - folks away from the news, not paying a lot of attention, congress (not that it matters) not in session, etc.  Thanks Griffon and Mark for infos!
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		<title>by: Griffon</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-463</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 May 2006 01:43:02 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Mark, if Malaysia and/or Indonesia were to impose trade bans against Australia, I think the local establishment would have kittens. They are increasingly getting squeezed out by their American masters and are desperate for every dollar they can lay their hands on to survive (they think).
They finally revolted against Shell when it tried to take over their little oil company, Woodside (of the Timor Sea), a couple of years ago. So that, together with the local establishment's myopic obsesson with the bottom line of the next Profit &amp;amp; Loss A/c, would tend to indicate they would squeal like stuck pigs at the first wiff of financial loss and cave into Malaysian/Indonesian pressure, particularly, if the US is seen on the ropes elsewhere (which is all to the good).

Declan's post highlights Blair's subservience to the oil companies by clearly acting as their spokesman.
 It also shows the growing worldwide willingness to call America's bluff. This is in no small part due to the Iraqi Resistance IMHO. The way I read it, they have shamed more than a few people and peoples around the world. Their example in the Mid-East must be enormous.

David Mamet, and others, have likened the US Administration to poker players who bluff and raise continuously. It works fine for a while but doesn't end happily (for the bluffer). Everyone's starting to call them including the Chinese as you noted, Mark. (payback for the insults to Hu)
The danger, in my view, is that America has a history of  quickly reverting to Plan B if people don't acquiesce to their demands. And Plan B is chaos. (If they can't have it, then no one has it. Or under the cover of chaos, they'll pull something out of the fire).

Siun, if the Raw Story is reasonably accurate, then it will take some time to get the Carriers in position. Plus, there was an intriguing comment on one of the sites linked here by Prof Foland that the B2 bombers would wait till the next New Moon (if history is a guide) which is May 29.

That's an intriguing observation about possible future sanction against Iran, Mark. I guess most countries are seriously contemplating economic life without the US. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mark, if Malaysia and/or Indonesia were to impose trade bans against Australia, I think the local establishment would have kittens. They are increasingly getting squeezed out by their American masters and are desperate for every dollar they can lay their hands on to survive (they think).<br />
They finally revolted against Shell when it tried to take over their little oil company, Woodside (of the Timor Sea), a couple of years ago. So that, together with the local establishment&#8217;s myopic obsesson with the bottom line of the next Profit &amp; Loss A/c, would tend to indicate they would squeal like stuck pigs at the first wiff of financial loss and cave into Malaysian/Indonesian pressure, particularly, if the US is seen on the ropes elsewhere (which is all to the good).</p>
	<p>Declan&#8217;s post highlights Blair&#8217;s subservience to the oil companies by clearly acting as their spokesman.<br />
 It also shows the growing worldwide willingness to call America&#8217;s bluff. This is in no small part due to the Iraqi Resistance IMHO. The way I read it, they have shamed more than a few people and peoples around the world. Their example in the Mid-East must be enormous.</p>
	<p>David Mamet, and others, have likened the US Administration to poker players who bluff and raise continuously. It works fine for a while but doesn&#8217;t end happily (for the bluffer). Everyone&#8217;s starting to call them including the Chinese as you noted, Mark. (payback for the insults to Hu)<br />
The danger, in my view, is that America has a history of  quickly reverting to Plan B if people don&#8217;t acquiesce to their demands. And Plan B is chaos. (If they can&#8217;t have it, then no one has it. Or under the cover of chaos, they&#8217;ll pull something out of the fire).</p>
	<p>Siun, if the Raw Story is reasonably accurate, then it will take some time to get the Carriers in position. Plus, there was an intriguing comment on one of the sites linked here by Prof Foland that the B2 bombers would wait till the next New Moon (if history is a guide) which is May 29.</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s an intriguing observation about possible future sanction against Iran, Mark. I guess most countries are seriously contemplating economic life without the US.
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		<title>by: markfromireland</title>
		<link>http://markfromireland.blogsome.com/2006/05/10/iran-chamber/#comment-462</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 May 2006 20:57:20 +0100</pubDate>
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					<description>Siun - In real terms it doesn't matter a damn. The president of Iran doesn't call the shots and has relatively little authority who is important is the supreme leader and the council of guardians and the expediency council. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Siun - In real terms it doesn&#8217;t matter a damn. The president of Iran doesn&#8217;t call the shots and has relatively little authority who is important is the supreme leader and the council of guardians and the expediency council.
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